Okay, I should stop yammering about Gab bots, right, but this one is completely baffling, I do not get it: .
>This guy spams recipes. No links. Just multiple recipes, sometimes multiple ones per minute. (The recipes themselves appear to be legit, though sometimes he uses metric and sometimes he uses US units; the recipes are almost certainly scraped from somewhere.) Then he replies to himself saying "thank you" or sometimes "thank you david". Sometimes he replies to other people saying "thank you" but usually just replies to himself.
>His bio says he's a soldier ("Special Operations (Airborne)", "i was the weapons sargeant") but he also replied to a photo of a P90 asking "randy, is that a gun realone ortoy isit a hand gun". I figure a soldier would know what a P90 is and not misspell "sergeant". Also worth noting, the 528th technically does exist but was not named that until 2008, making "Vietnam veteran 5 years with 528th Sustainment Brigade" completely impossible, even if the rest of it was plausible. Doesn't appear to be a native English speaker. So, obvious fake account.
>But what's the goal? What does this get you? Why?
>This is going to keep me up all night.
computer generated spam bots
>One Million Users(tm)
just say hello Turbo cuz that’s who’s running them bots
>WHY DOES THIS PERSON HAVE SO MUCH FOLLOWERS?
Why, what goal? And the guy replies to people like a person sometimes, like someone said "This recipe for chicken wings has a picture of steak" and he apologized.
>I'm racking my brain, here. The only thing I can come up with is that Gab is running the bot to manufacture activity.
Ha, that's the only thing I could come up with. They want to look more active than they are, so they run their own bots sometimes.
just to inflate numbers. There are so many fake accounts that aren't cleaned up that they're either made by Gab or are allowed to exist for the numerical inflation.
It generates traffic and gives the quick illusion of an actually user.
>I've counted at least 7 boomers arguing with the Babylon bee bot in the last 2 days, their user-base will post huge paragraphs to obvious picture bots, so in other words most of those people can't seem to tell the difference.
>Torba, routinely touts the site as "people posting bible verses and recipes" so I suspect you can thank Rob for this one.
>Also, next to no-one on gab who claims to be ex-military is ex-military.
yeah that was my first though. Some startup looking to test their chatbot software, probably partnering with gab. Could just be some college kid doing it.
>idk how you could explain this without software involved at some level.
been this way for so long that I can't blame them. When you're on a platform where the user/bot ratio is 1:20 at best you're going to start trying to socialize with the machines. They're so lonely 😭😭😭
Probably followbacks and bot followers.
Heh, There are some fairly sophisticated bots on there, but I don't any of them are going to pass the ol' Turing test. I can kind of understand why people might get confused.
>On the other hand they have users that will try and debate with accounts that have the word "bot" in their handle, lol
@p I just followed them today to enrich my fedi experience, make it not so negative all the time. Well this sucks
do this on Facebook too so it's not very surprising. Most of Gab's organic growth is grandpa's who got banned from Facebook for being obnoxious and political all the time.
@p presumably cultivating followers
Exactly. It's basically a hugbox for angry seniors who can't control their behavior.
The other theories were that it gives Gab the illusion of activity and gives people something to reply to.
that’s long been suspected where else would he come up with muh 1 million users?
>I have talked to that chap,he answers back!
eh, when mastodong appeared I saw people arguing with fortune bots :)
strange considering its start as a place for millennials and zoomers who were pro Trump. Similar thing happened to 8chan though, refuge sites have super interesting life cycles imo.
fuck that fortune bot, I'll fight it
Yeah, but he definitely isn't who he says he is.
>It's easy to have a bot where a human replies to the notifications.
Seems to be the consensus.
He was claiming 2 million not that long ago.
>What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills.
maybe these are attempts to fill gab with crap (disk is not infinite), and federation males it contagious
The most plausible suggestion so far is inflating Gab's numbers.
Dude, I used that copypasta on one of those mongs once, and threatened to hunt me down and knife me for stolen valor, lol
you think its all bots but its ACTUALLY REAL boomers trying to use internet
>god you are blind
It's also a selling point. He can point to the fedi analytics and brag about how many users he has.
help this video made me embarrassed
@l0wk3y 50 year old vet, please donate on cashapp my friends friends dog needs their kidney removed, please pray for us
I honestly can't tell the difference sometimes.
Fucking hell, I think nearly every boomer on there has posted something like that.
When it fist appeared it was an "anything goes kind of free-speech" platform.
>Most of the younger interesting people took off as it became apparent that the older crowd was more favored because they were willing to purchase "stock" in the site and fork over donations. It didn't take long for Torba to start banning people, and adopt this stupid folksy bible routine.
was there early on so I basically remember how it went. Most of the initial traffic came from conservative ecelebs promoting it. The bullshit came when all the normal people just made new Twitter accounts and the only people still there were so unsociable they just couldn't exist on mainstream social media. Then Torba started floating all kinds of oddball ideas constantly for attention, as Gab built over the original source code the forked from functionality got worse and worse, community stagnation and whatnot. Really unfortunate.
That sounds about right.
>It also doesn't help that he picks fights with everyone. Like when he "forked" the brave browser and then started talking shit to the developers.
I actually downloaded the Dissenter browser because I was curious if they were attempting to maintain it.
>It hasn't gotten a security update once in the several months I've used, meaning the boomers who are going to download it, who are potentially banking on this gimmickware, are probably gonna be at risk in the near future if they aren't already.
Thanks for pointing that out. There seems to be a lot of intrigue on gab!
Yeah I saw that too. They have an app store where they pulled a bunch of apps from F-droid and posted them to their site.
>All of those apps are in active development and receive regular updates, except that the ones on Gab's store haven't been updated in months!
>It's just beyond incompetent.
>stop staring into the abyss, p. some things cannot be explained.
Yeah, I was there, poked around, decided it was basically just Twitter and figured it would not be able to keep its promise (Twitter Jack had described the site as "The free speech wing of the Free Speech Party", I was not confident in another centralized service), wandered off. I started getting these emails, "Your Friends at Gab -- aryan420insurgent1488 followed you", this provided a deterrent from logging back in.
thing is, Torba wants to LARP as an entrepreneur, but he just doesn't have the vision, the skills, the people, or the money to make that happen, so he just has to fake it to anyone dumb enough to listen.
>For example, this "Hydra" software bullshit he goes on about. It runs a WordPress page, a tiny app repository (that stays out of date), and... that's it. Yet they're about to attempt to migrate their entire site to it before election season heats up. Gab is going to be broken for this entire year, most likely. It's going to be fun to watch.
Well, before I kill an account (cf., latest post) I look around to see if it is spammy. This one...this one is weird.
Dude, I still fucking get those emails.
>The thing is, there already is a Twitter. There's not really a market for another one no matter what their supposed philosophy because everyone is on Twitter. (Trump will come to Gab anyday!) What Gab did is set up a play-pen for everyone whos been perma-banned from mainstream sites like Facebook and Twitter.
>Frankly Im suprised there haven't been more Gab related shootings.
mean, I don't entirely agree, because people get mass banned off Twitter constantly (I actually think they might have a quota. It fluctuates throughout the month) The platform stopped growing a while ago. It's pretty difficult to make new accounts now too. Most people right now go to Discord when Twitter fails them, but it's only a matter of time before they do the same thing.
I agree with all of that, but Hydra runs wordpress??
literally, I just mean trends.gab.com. it's functionally the same as a Wordpress blog, completely unimpressive demonstration of a software.
I honestly get most of that information second hand because I only use Twitter to kind of see whats going on. I've never even posted to it.
use Fedilab and follow some accounts with it's Nitter timeline feature, but I rarely feel the need to interact. Everyone I know irl uses Reddit, all my old online friends mostly use Discord now. Not much point. It's a dying platform for sure.
>You know I enjoy watching you apply logic and critical thinking to arguments with people who are not self-aware, it's entertaining and I think you are an intelligent man.
>By that same token, applying those same tools to this account... The other side of this wormhole is Terry Davis, not cool Terry, like "our" Terry, but for real talking to god through random words out of an encyclopedia Terry Davis.
>Or the recipes are a code.
>Damn it. Look at me... I'm the crazy captain now!
Ahh, gotcha. You that's the truth.
>Their pseudo Drudge site is complete nightmare on so many levels.
actually do use Gab Trends to browse headlines, since once you scroll down they do have a feed for most mainstream outlets both left and right. It's easily the best thing Gab has made, which is really sad considering it's been like 5 years.
I still use RSS, so I have my own news list to read throughout the day.
>>trying to understand the thought processes of higher beings
>You're wasting your time.
a zoomers Idek how to use an RSS feed lol.
>My social media consists of mostly Fedi, some YouTube stuff (both consumption and occasional consultation from old acquaintances), and occasionally Kiwi Farms and 8kun. I have accounts on everything but I use them so sparsely it barely counts.
>RSS is just a link you copy and plop into a reader. I use thunderbird so it's there with my email.
>Most sites still have a feed surprisingly.
Jesus, I haven't even had Thunderbird installed on anything in probably 11 or 12 years.
>Why you look so distraught?
thank you david
Oh, you, givin' me the business.
>I'm pretty sure it's a bot, though.
of my servants was supposed to give me an anal bleaching but she figured out how to untie the rope and escaped, so now I have to move bunkers, will probably be camping out in Brasil for a while, all this while having an ungroomed ass 🙄
>this is fake, I thought she consented to being in your home but nope you kidnapped and raped her. That's why she escaped
is a very tricky concept JoJo. She said yes when I asked if she wanted to live in a mansion, the rest is just semantics.
>Lies, no means no
she wanted to say no she shouldn't have come into my home
>but she figured out how to untie the rope and escaped,
that is a shame. My men will deal with her in time. A shame, she was such a sweet girl. Cute chin.
>Why would she want to be in your if you forced her to watch the dishes and also prostitution?
not a matter of what she wants anymore, JoJo. I can't let disloyal girls live.
>You kills girls too? warning, brazil hates criminals
>are you really ignoring me? I'm warning you, if you want to act like a wannabe cartel leader, at least keep yourself secret because Brazilian police would literally shoot criminals without being considerate.
am the Brazilian Senate.
>Corruption in brazil is long gone.
not what the governor of Estados tells me
>asks him if he lived in brazil before?
is a place in Brazil and he is the governor.
>what did he tell you?
will be safe if I hide in his shoe closet.
>I still think that Brazil is the dangerous place for cartels members because Brazilian police don't give a fuck about criminals with sympathy
>YOU'RE Crazy if you're going to brazil
If it's not run by Torba himself then you got it. The twist is the scammers building up followings are themselves being scammed by Gab's claim to have one million users. Bots scamming bots.
>What a world.
Sometimes. I used to Turing test them and discovered that Gab's users are now so stupid they are easily mistaken for bots.
A lot of people have been banned by Twitter. That would be a business model IF he had provided a monetization engine for ecelebs. Milo, Cernovich, Alex Jones, Paul Joseph Watson, Andrew Anglin and even Scott Adams came and went from Gab. As the shuttening intensified he could have found a niche providing them eceleb services - tipping, subscriptions, a digital content store, live streaming.
>All he had to do was follow thought.
>But he was too short for that ride. And lazy. So very lazy.
Ist't that how Rob got his CTO (cough laughing....) position? By making stupid bots and that stupid fucking meme site?
Yes, Rob Colbert wrote RSS scraper bots then bragged about them getting more likes than my posts. Failed to mention that Torba was reposting them to his 80,000 followers... and getting 20 likes.
I'd bet cash money Lightfighter 6 runs that bot.
There's enough of those types to create some sort of niche subculture site if you can keep those types on your platform. It wouldn't replace mainstream sites overnight but it could create a functioning community if you provide a decent service. Gab of course did none of that.
The endgame is every Trump voter banned, so it's gonna be a pretty big niche.
Fedi is already developed enough to be that replacement, both Mastodon and Pleroma. There just needs to be a catalyst for migration.
Fedi can provide a Twitter replacement. Gab was in a position to provide a Twitch - Twitter - Patreon - Youtube replacement.
>But HE BLEW IT!
Running all of them off controlled platforms seems self-defeating to me. Just take out a few big names and shadowban smaller accounts and you can have a controlled platform that keeps the proles in line.
SJWs are puritans. They can't abide our presence, and these platforms cave to EVERYTHING they demand. See Twitter's 'deadname' policy.
There's still plenty of right-wingers on the platform, and I'm not convinced they really want them gone.
I remember when Stefan Molyneux thought he would never be banned.
Twitch or YouTube, I give Torba a pass on that one. The costs for hosting video pile up way too fast.
>Peertube is coming along though, it's p2p, federated and everything, you can sorta follow Peertube accounts from your FSE or Gab if you want, though whether the follow goes through is hit and miss atm.
>Either way, even if it's free speech, a centralized, closed source, all encompassing platform is not ultimately a good thing. Vunerable to error, corruption, takedowns, all sorts of stuff. Federated networks like this are going to be a better solution than Gab ever could have been in the long run.
Since no one has been able to keep a centralized platform operational you are right by default.
>It does make it impossible to FUND anything via the network.
inherently, trusting one entity with the keys to the kingdom is a bad idea, I think.
We need a Napster of crypto to monetize it.
not convinced that kind of thing will take off l. I think ultimately, though peer to peer will help, we're going to have to trust in people with fuck you money to host large quantities of video content, or just do it ourselves. The costs just bloat way too fast and too extremely for a more trustworthy distribution system to work.
>Maybe one day infrastructure will be improved to the point where video sharing systems are as convenient and inexpensive as text but that's a long way off.
He's still outside of the right-wing mainstream and is a softer target. They can't ban all Trump supporters while Trump is still the political standard-bearer for half the country. "All Trump supporters" and Molymeme are not remotely the same standard.
>My theory is that back in 2003-2006 podcasting was supposed to take off. But iTunes jumped on that grenade - Imagine a alt-right back in the early 2000's when everbody would have been accustomede to p2p file sharing networks. (Includinbg normies! Even WinMX and Audiogalaxy had normies using them. [Also Morpheous.])
>Then Youtube got started in 06 and did streaming audio. Buit it soon went video onlyt and got creators of content addicted to posting video. I'm not even sure if half if YT could do podcasting.
>We need a way to convince YTers to attempt podcasting for a week and see if they can do it. Since audio is so easy to host, it might just let some people host their own content.
been tried, and guess what happens?
>No one listens.
>Cause having YouTube as that central hub for all your entertainment needs it too convenient. Easier to just find new stuff on there than go to a dozen separate indie podcasting sites.
>Gab was a petri dish to study the Alt-Right in.
>IT was never meant to succeed. There were doze4ns of ways for it to do so.
>Torba is a grifter and choose his group - probably based on orders from somewhere. The idea he fucked up yet is a con-man is so out there he'd have to be too stupid to manage Gab. And yes, providing a service for the Thots ande Ebeggerrs would probably be more profitable, espically if he had the stomach for controversy. (Just like he's getting controversy now.)
That's where you're wrong, kiddo.
>If congress can impeach him Facebook and Twitter can purge all his supporters.
The point of monetization is to allow a right wing Marvel Cinematic Universe level of production. The system must be able to transfer hundreds of millions of dollars independent of the enemy chokepoints or all is lost.
The smoking gun for 'Torba is a fed / Soros agent' theory is that he sold Automate Ads, an entirely worthless startup that never made a dime, for a profit AFTER he started Gab.
>That may have been how they laundered his payoff.
Anyone who doesn't have Youtube in their hosts file is hopeless. They will never be a dissident.
Don't forget Adsense. BRIBING everyone into the Google walled garden was the first phase. Once that had wiped out all independent sites they started the purges. itunes, with built in monetization, used similar tactics. The fact that Apple users were spendthrifts drew most content creators they would allow into the DRM trap.
They can, but it would hurt them more to do that than maintain the status quo.
Disney has lost at least six BILLION dollars in Star Wars revenue by making the force female.
But keeping right-wingers on their platforms also gives them more power than banning them. If normiecons are banished to the far reaches of the web that makes them that much easier to radicalize. Let controlled/neutered opposition stay on your platform and a lot of people will stay out of laziness.
You are wrong. If that were true MILLIONS of right wing accounts wouldn't have already been banned. Facebook probes and scans deeply to find PRIVATE right wing groups.
>Each US based user they ban costs them over $100 a year in revenue and they are doing it anyway.
>The absolute priority is no Trump second term and no more nationalist outbreaks (Brexit) anywhere in Europe or the Anglosphere.
>They will SHUT DOWN Twitter if they have to.
I'm not questioning the commitment to the cause, just whether they deem it wise to ban too many people too quickly. If they really go too hard there I think it'll backfire, especially when it comes to stuff like Twitter that's easily replaceable.
As long as they can prevent another Twitter by denying ad revenue, payment processing, hosting and every other third party service to potential competitors they can afford to kill Twitter.
>Gab and the Fediverse are the Twitter alternatives and they've accumulated a negligible percentage of the exiles - only experts can respawn now so that is no longer a factor.
>> or just do it ourselves
>That's the goal.
Without getting blowback from most Twitter users? (Facebook is more boomery, Facebook users might get upset.) Sure, maybe. Without getting blowback from shareholders? Not a chance.
>Incidentally, I still cannot get over how rabidly anti-Trump socialist-leaning people are, given that Trump was (and probably still is) the easy favorite among working class people below the poverty line. These are the people socialists are supposed to be advocating for, but they've got nothing but contempt for those people. It defies reason unless you're completely divorced from your own stated goals.
>> The system must be able to transfer hundreds of millions of dollars independent of the enemy chokepoints or all is lost.
>I wouldn't know anything about that. *cough* *cough*
I think, if people can stare in the abyss, and that makes the abyss feel uncomfortable, let them be.
Ask the Russian intelligence about it. Im sure they'll know. Its either the russians or the chinese.
>I doubt the american would dare to mess with their sacred military
They're testing their shitposting AI
it's to keep you up at night
Just pay the 3 bucks for a server and buy a code book.
The reaction against people who looked at Trump and said "yeah hes funny, he's ok. he's sticking up for us, lets vote for him" are somehow nazis.
>Trump is a great many things but maybe not screaming at people who are economically disenfranchised, calling them racists and klansman...."
>I thought socialists cared about the working man, but social points I guess are more important.
>Now ya all got Trump
unless the reason is that socialists have surrounded themselves with people who think along with the blue team hivemind
Theyve lost all copmassion
no, they've got plenty of that but the people around them have normalized hating trump long ago.
Maybe, but attacking Trump has become an attack on his supporters.
the two can be hard to separate at times esp when you're in a heated discussion with people who you don't know how much in lockstep with eachother they are
Yeah I agree with that, but Trump is speaking a message to them that other people aren't.
not just his supporters. I don't generally like the guy but the Democrat party are so unhinged that he looks appealing by comparison. I'd vote for Stalin or Mussolini readily if my other choice is a Democrat.
I mean that's where where're at tho. Normal people used to be able to have a conversation about these things, but eveyone has lost their shit and Trump looks downright normal compared to the people reacting against him.
yep. I don't think most people understand just how bad it is that the left has basically poisoned one of the major parties in a two party system to the point where the sides can't even speak with one another in good faith. Civil disagreement is a necessary food for a society with liberty to survive. Otherwise you end up watering the tree...
Right. Well strap in man, 2020 is going to be on hell of ride.
indeed, my dude
two can play at that game, though. I certainly haven't seen any evidence that the impasse is primarily the left's doing - more likely it's caused by something external to the political system altogether. Things like
>* The US Government being able to legally use propaganda against its own citizenry
>* the increase of wealth inequality in the US
>* Something inherent to two-party systems
>* in the presence of media consolidation down to 6 companies, about 500 people controlling most public opinion.
>I am used to religious conservatives not acting in good faith. I recognize the democrat/left/sjws have definitely been catching up to them, if not excelling at this lately.
post would have been more convincing in the mid 90s.
>> mid 90s
>> widespread use of encryption to promote information security outweighs the difficulties encrypted communications place on law enforcement
>> Promote policies that preserve and advance the openness and decentralization of computer-based communications.
>> Preserve and protect American citizens' right to privacy and the need for secure communications.
That's one in 10,000 people who can do that. And that is wildly optimistic. For one thing most who CAN won't anyway.
The intersectional left is all about diversity. They have nothing but hatred for the working class that has never voted for faggots.
>As for social media shareholders, THEY are the ones pressuring for a right wing purge.
>Wall Street is anti-nationalist.
Now get the customer to use it.
>THAT'S the bottleneck.
Media consolidation into hardcore leftist hands is the key. It's why the Democratic party self immolated by nominating Hillary, the other choice being a self proclaimed socialist senator who joined the Democratic party the day he launched his primary campaign.
>The culture gap is now so great that the country is either going to become a right or left totalitarian state to suppress the other side to maintain unity or it is going to break up.
>The latter is my preference.
you absulotly right ma bro
>> No one remembers the Clintons when they were in power
>>fuck law enforcement.
>* media consolidation is much worse, now, than it was, then. Even just Disney, as a conglomerate, could cause this, by leading to an information vacuum, again, causing polarization by those who react to an information-free diet of infotainment
>* Wealth inequality has only increased since, alongside and correlated with the lack of middleground.
>* The US remains a two party system as much as it ever has, with the caveat that trump is the furthest variation from it being so in my memory. This seems to allow for a resonance that lacks meaningful democratic input from now the solid majority (and increasing % with time) of americans who are 'independent' rather than republican or democrat.
>* The propaganda situation has gotten much worse. There were restrictions in the 1990s that Bush undid on propaganda. I saw a quote, by the CIA saying something to the effect of "you'll know we've succeeded when literally nothing that the US public believes is true"...this is plausibly what is going on right now, on both sides.
>Now correlation is not causation. There are mechanisms that may be causal, in each of these though. But if we're looking for mechanisms that could cause polarization, things going on in the 90's in some cases haven't stopped.
To do battle with monsters, you must become a monster.
I knew it. That effin' is messin' with me.
at the level media consolidation works, it doesn't matter left vs right. The media party is its own entity. The media is the message. See: the HUGE emphasis on trump pre-2016 election.
>Such predictions usually turn out to be wrong. The people are always capable of being able to put up with more of an absurd situation than people expect. This could go on for centuries.
Left wing totalitarianism is the most likely outcome as that's the side the media supports.
they are also fine with right-wing totalitarianism, as long as it caters to them. Pretty much all the media local to me is right-wing and all of it was enthusiastic in their support of stephen harper.
If you think Harper was right wing you best leave this thread now before you suffer trauma.
>> As for social media shareholders, THEY are the ones pressuring for a right wing purge.
>Yes, of course. Vanguard, Morgan Stanley, et al, are all known for putting their principles before their own financial gain.
>As these are mostly mutual funds holding the stock, it would actually be illegal for them to do what you suggest that they're doing. Investment banks are legally obligated to maximize returns; anything else is a breach of fiduciary responsibility. They don't actually need the threat of felony charges in most cases, though, as they make more money the better the fund does. They are more likely to commit a felony in service of making *more* money than *less*.
That's already done. I use it, as a customer. Bitcoin pays for FSE's hosting, for one thing.
I didn't say he'd be right. Just that it would be more convincing. Much like with Trump, the media pulled out all the stops to make Dole look like a stupid relic. I remember watching the debates even though I was not old enough to vote and being very concerned about the incongruity of the reporting with what I was seeing.
Oh, I was just thinking about the alternate universe.
Are you trolling? Yes, you are. You know the subtext here. This is like a bad dial up connection when you deliberately distort and fuck with my argument with this shit tier nerdism.
>Bitcoin is FUD terror zone as far as typical customers are concerned. That problem must be solved for it to be a viable medium of exchange.
>This is install Gentoo level garbage argument.
>No normal person has your skills.
Wrong. Wall Street has done nothing to protest social media purges of anti-tranny speech.
>Anti-tranny speech is THE NORMAL CONSENSUS VIEW. Why are they siding against the people and for actual abominations?
>Because making money is only a secondary concern.
>POWER is what is at stake.
>The ritual of humiliation and the conquest of the entire world by the pedophile cabal.
He was a christian conservative who pushed for big oil, who wouldn't even allow his department on the status of women to use the words "womens rights", censored of scientists and left-leaning artist groups, had tax breaks for the big banks and the wealthy at the expense of the general budget/social programs, enabled the torture of gay children, colonialist policies in africa and the caribbean, and his history included being in a white supremacist group. And of course changed our laws from being more or less a free country to more or less authoritarian, complete with secret police, up to and including kidnapping canadian citizens (of the wrong religion) for torture in foreign countries and holding them without the red cross having access.
>He was right wing.
How much did he reduce immigration?
He cut around 100,000+ people from the immigration waiting list, forcing them to re-apply (or more likely, get kicked from the country as their visas expired). This was unheard of in recent canadian history.
OK, he had that going for him, which is nice.
>Now if he just gets more BASED and starts loading them onto deportation catapults.
>Or crucifying them along the border so their screams serve as a warning to others.
>Oh, make me Prime Minister. I have such sights to show you.
Crucifying young science students? For ...being the wrong shade of brown or what?
For violating the realm. The correct immigration level is zero, forever.
They were *invited in*. You don't invite someone to your house and then crucify them. If you want 0 immigration, that's all well and good, but our reputation as a civilized country means that you don't just crucify people because of how they look.
Crucify whoever invited them.
ok now you're talking about me. Which, I might add: I have a greater claim at belonging to this country than you probably do, so how about no.
Anyone who supports open borders in an enemy of their own nation. Of course Canada is so saturated with meme malware that it will be a Muslim rape camp in very short order.
Again, no. I get to decide who the enemy of my nation is, as someone who's family has been here since day #1, not you. As far as whether it can survive islam is yet to be decided - I do work every day to bring people out of that darkness. And I am not alone.
Canada is infected with the core malware of openness. With minimal barriers to infection by toxic organic sentients it will soon be engulfed in malign flesh.
this ignores canadian culture, but don't worry, you're not alone, that's a long standing tradition for all kinds of people to do this.
>You can call this culture 'core malware' if you want, but the flame is not out yet.
If a culture is open and remains open it will be flooded with aliens and destroyed sooner or later. If the core population is extremely small, as in the cases of Sweden and Canada, it will be sooner rather than later.
>The core error here is deep and ancient.
>Christianity and the general concept of a universal morality are to blame.
>Only cruelty and hypocrisy can save us.
I like how Dread has mastered the art of saying things in the most autistic way possible. The simpler among us would just point out that Canada's a cuck faggot country doomed to be raped to death by Muslims without any references to malware or Faustian Space Autism or the like.
The difference is if you REPHRASE things you can not only slip past memetic defenses in the minds of readers, you can avoid algorithmic scans.
gays are perhaps more politically represented than perhaps your kind of country, maybe oh...saudi arabia or something. But they are a pretty small minority at the end of the day. I joined the local pride march this year and while it was big...it wasn't *that* big. As far as being a 'cuck' country ...what does that even *mean* on the nationscale level? I think dredd's response at least made some level of sense compared to that, even if it was wrong.
>You know once upon a time people would have said we were doomed to be steamrolled and raped by germans, too. But the thing is - there's more to the situation than you're willing to admit. I am on the ground helping to deradicalize muslims in this country. You're not probably so you haven't got a clue what's going on.
In fact Germans permanantly damaged American culture, making it more authoritarian and leading to the rise of the administrative state.
You would have been steamrolled and raped by the Germans if America didn't exist. Canada is perhaps the most sheltered country in the world, with nothing but oceans and America around it, and you guys are our bitches anyways whenever push comes to shove. The entirety of Canada's global relevance comes from its proximity to America, and it's never in its history had to fight a war without either the UK or America acting as big brother. You have no idea how to deal with any people who respects only force rather than diplomacy.
>some of Canada's global relevance is having a community of canadians that is closely connected with pretty much every ethnic group in the world. Need to negotiate with Iran? There are extensive back channels through our persian community here, and an extensive community (both pro/against the particular fundamentalists in power there) capable of discussing and coming to a consensus with them.
>Need to negotiate with the US?
>We share a huge land border with them which millions of canadians cross, thousands intermarry through etc. We are a crossroads for the whole world, and a place where many memes come to compete for attention
The best thing about Canada is that it ISN'T globally relevant which makes it possible to sit out some of the US empire's wars.
But are they just as closely connected with Canada as their own ethnic/religious group? Clannish peoples will regularly kiss up to outsiders to their face while plotting to stab them in the back. Your wonderfully vibrant Islamic communities will be loyal to their fellow Muslims, not infidels like you.
>There are some clannish areas and some less clannish areas. Canada is a big country with a lot of communities in it. Some are problematic, some aren't. Some non-muslim communities are clannish, some aren't. Islam, both Shi'a or otherwise, is a problem, and a global one, but we have lots of problems, and are working on resolving the contradictions and problems inherent in our society. We actually have real, pressing issues to deal with and if you don't mind I'd like to get back to those.
Sure, America also has real, pressing issues, so please understand those of us who want to focus on the problems we currently have and not worry about importing more problems from the rest of the world.
>I've been trying to get the same Fat Albert video to play for a half hour and I've already lost faith in the platform.
we haven't ever 'sat out' on a US empire war since what the phillipines war?
Are there any Canadians still fighting in Iraq?
we can do better than cruelty and hypocrisy. And this is only true if 'aliens' don't adapt our culture which does happen. Even in the case of muslims.
Hypocrisy is required to defend against swarm attacks. When a mother with babe in arms is sent as a human shield to provide cover for the invasion you need to hold her to an entirely different moral standard than a citizen of the realm. If we deployed a small sniper force along the southern border we could end the immigration flood in hours not days.
>If we then declared war on Mexico began summarily executing Mexican nationals inside the US without a uniform as spies the self deportations would be a sight to see.
Are you talking about immigration or refugees? You're not going to end the refugee crisis that way. And canada does *not* deal with young mothers with newborns with snipers, sorry.
Refugees are just invaders with sob stories. Human life is not sacred. There are too many people. Let them die.
BTW refugees are a rounding error in the US immigration problem. Most of our illegals sneak in or overstay their visas. Then there's the legal immigration that needs to be abolished.
There are too many people but we can do better than murdering innocent people. I hope you never have to become one if that's your attitude.
Invading a sovereign nation is a crime.
>Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
But we're not talking about the US, are we?
I am talking about various things. One never knows. Try to keep up.
I say that because I care a lot less what the US immigration policy is. Go ahead and put snipers on your borders.
>But that's not how we should do things here.
When a flood of Mexicans never shows up at your southern border thank an American nationalist.
Right, but there's a difference between invading as a group and coming as an individual.
>The 'caravans' coming into the US from the southern US I fully expected to get mass executed for this reason, and although it would be sad, it would be understandable.
>Single mothers with children coming in however are *not* an invasion. If that sort of thing makes you quake in your boots you must really put your tail in between your legs when faced with an actual invasion
Biological invasions only require a small seed to start.
>Think of borders as a quarantine.
If Americans aren't able to harden their hearts and deal with the Invaders like the existential threat they are, the US is doomed.
sure, but that also meant that my mexican girlfriend never got to meet me due to those same american nationalists. So there's costs and benefits there.
I thought you all had Asian girlfriends up there?
perhaps. But hardening their hearts needs only be done so much, and not as much a dredd is suggesting
The globalists can generate as many sad stories as necessary to engulf the West in third world garbage. The Islamic world's hyper-natalism is creating billions of surplus human lives that will have to be starved out if civilization is to survive.
>It will take a Caesar more brutal than Stalin to deal with this threat.
what are you trying to keep out exactly? a meme? You're not going to stop a meme with a border
I want to keep out aliens. All of them. The correct immigration level was zero by 1840. Under my plan anyone who entered after 1965 loses the vote.
If the Wall actually got built, the need to stop the Invaders by more violent means would probably be markedly reduced. When you got caravans of thousands or tens of thousands of Invaders trying to rush the border, a Wall ought to make it easier to keep them out without hurting them.
>However, when faced with the choice of letting Invaders get across the border or using potentially lethal force to stop them, a rich country unwilling to choose the 2nd option is pretty fucked in the long run.
i get that but if you're using a 'seed' analogy you're talking about keeping out memes or genes or both or neither or what
Meme malware requires a human host
Walls work pretty well at reducing border crossings and are a much more realistic answer than Dread's spergery.
Operation Wetback worked without a wall. Will can save a great deal of money.
no it doesn't. All it takes is a single book. Then again maybe so few people read in the US that this isn't a threat ;)
Islam is a complete non-starter in Europe and always has been.
How long do you think will run the place without turning a profit?
Until long after human civilization is replaced by robots.
He works for noodz.
Dick pics for free speech?
I'm disappointed thats not a real website.
I was too when I clicked on it lmfao
favourite Dole moment was a parody where Dole wanted a trench too the 19th century
It's how I heard of Conan O'Brien. Turned on the TV, there he was, talking to a TV next to his desk, with the face of Bob Dole and someone else's mouth talking through a cutout. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCQIvRe3bpk
>'96 Election Update With Bill C…
>> Wall Street has done nothing to protest
>How would you know if they did?
>> making money is only a secondary concern.
>> POWER is what is at stake.
>One wonders why so few of them run for office.
just follow cuteposters for that
to get people to follow him, and then to slowly and silently go quiet, and then to re-emerge when the bot's owner wants something to get a wide broadcast to people who like recipes (ie women)
Using front men provides an added layer of defense.
>Wall Street is behind the shuttening. You're out of the loop because you're a secondary target - a very minor ENABLER of thought crime, not a thought criminal yourself.
>That would change fast if someone like Andrew Anglin or Richard Spencer began using FSE.
>Please spare me any trivialities about Spencer not being banned from Twitter. He is flypaper, they use him to spot other accounts to ban when they follow him.
i feel dumber after watching this.
the third person self references were Dole's least excusable quality
Politics, however, is never about efficiency: look at what they did to Patton.
I want to emphasize that we have a moral problem not a technical problem.
>Most Americans are unmanned by their own minds.
I don't want to hear you talk about 'moral problems' when you're talking about starving a billion people you just don't happen to agree with. You wouldn't know a moral solution to a moral problem if it hit you in the face
Morality is a problem. It must be suspended for the duration of the emergency.
>Learn to enjoy it.
morality is not a problem. You're just evil
I'm only evil if Christ is Lord.
>If the Bible is a lie, and it is, I'm good.
>Good is loyalty to your own team.
No, the bible has nothing to do with you being willing to starve billions of people.
If they want to eat let them learn to grow food without my help.
>If they can't do that they have failed at life and deserve their fate.
> Good is loyalty to your own team.
If you don't think loyalty is good... well, that explains your treason.
You were pretty clearly looking forward to their starving.
If they must starve someone should enjoy it. A damned waste of sweet, sweet tears otherwise.